I completely agree, Especially where it goes on for several chapters. But, I try to remember in this case that this is a list of all the ways that Israel was unfaithful to God and the consequences that stretched for generations. It was not just once, but time after time, they ignored the love of the God who delivered them from slavery, just to walk right back into it. I could learn a lot from that lesson. As in Galatians 5:1 “It is for freedom that Christ has set you free. Stand firm then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”
I am struggling with Jeremiah too. Thanks for sharing. It’s nice that I’m not alone as I try to finish Jeremiah. And then in 1 Peter 3 I don’t think I ever realized the parallels of water in the Bible with its association of the ark and water being similar to baptism and water. (Line 21)
ESV: baptism gives us a good conscience. An ability to judge what’s righteousness, so see areas of growth in our own lives, and to come to know Christ so much more ❤
There wouldn’t be blind obedience if the man is also living for the lord. This doesn’t mean that we, as women/wives, should refrain from speaking our mind or sharing our opinion, but we should have a confidence in our man to make a good decision based on our conversation and his obedience to God.
You could read some commentaries on this so you can get a fuller perspective! The concept really is not as degrading as it sounds from our post modern, independence driven perspective
Any suggestions on books or commentaries?? I think what I really want to know is how to practically apply this verse… What should submission look like in my marriage? I don’t so much find the verse degrading as hard to interpret and apply… Thanks for your help! (It sounds like you’ve looked into it as well).
hi beth, hope u still read this reply… i found the book A WIFE AFTER GOD’S OWN HEART by Elizabeth George helpful… also a chapter jn Nancy Leigh DeMoss’ LIES WOMEN BELIEVE (there’s a particular chapter about Submission) ot helped me a lot with my perspective… :)
I really dislike the whole “submit to your husband” concept. I feel like I don’t really understand it… Blind obedience seems like stupidity and an incorrect interpretation of the scripture, but to some level obviously obedience comes into play with submission since following verses talk about Sarah obeying Abraham (who was kind of a jerk IMO asking her to pretend to be his sister and handing her off to another man)…
Beth, think of it as the trinity- god, jesus, the Holy Spirit. They each have their own roles yet are all equal and are all god. Jesus submitted to God and died on the cross for our sins. Just because Jesus submitted to God doesn’t make him less, that was just his role. As wives we have a role. We are to submit and respect our husbands. That doesn’t make us less.
I heard a helpful analogy of this in the image of couples’ figure skating during the Olympics. The man and the woman are both equally important, but they have different roles in their routine- they complement and showcase one another’s strengths and talents. =)
Thanks for your insight! I can see how this would work with a perfect God or a Godly husband… I struggle to apply it to real life situations with a human husband… I suppose it has more to do be with being gentle and supportive…
Yes in perfection, it likely would be easier… And more fun! :) Without sin, there would be no pride to want my own way. I guess since we both have major faults in a marriage, we need to remember that we are ultimately submitting to and serving God in our roles as husband and wife. Praying today for the many marriages that are represented among the SRT community.
Does anyone know the meaning in 1 Peter: 7 when it refers to women as the weaker vessel? I’m always wondering if it means physically or emotionally or both? I sometimes wish it was more in depth & put more emphasis on the strength of women. Any verse recommendations for that?
The message isn’t a translation. It’s a summary of translations. It’s helpful, but when questioning a particular passage, we should always return to a translating.
4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God’s sight is very precious.
This was such a powerful verse to me as well! We put so much pressure to fulfill societies ideal of female “beauty”. It is so encouraging to be reminded that it is our hearts that are beautiful to Christ!
I don’t understand Jeremiah AT ALL. When the bible goes into names and historical information I have a hard time concentrating and comprehending.
I completely agree, Especially where it goes on for several chapters. But, I try to remember in this case that this is a list of all the ways that Israel was unfaithful to God and the consequences that stretched for generations. It was not just once, but time after time, they ignored the love of the God who delivered them from slavery, just to walk right back into it. I could learn a lot from that lesson. As in Galatians 5:1 “It is for freedom that Christ has set you free. Stand firm then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.”
I am struggling with Jeremiah too. Thanks for sharing. It’s nice that I’m not alone as I try to finish Jeremiah. And then in 1 Peter 3 I don’t think I ever realized the parallels of water in the Bible with its association of the ark and water being similar to baptism and water. (Line 21)
ESV: baptism gives us a good conscience. An ability to judge what’s righteousness, so see areas of growth in our own lives, and to come to know Christ so much more ❤
There wouldn’t be blind obedience if the man is also living for the lord. This doesn’t mean that we, as women/wives, should refrain from speaking our mind or sharing our opinion, but we should have a confidence in our man to make a good decision based on our conversation and his obedience to God.
You could read some commentaries on this so you can get a fuller perspective! The concept really is not as degrading as it sounds from our post modern, independence driven perspective
great insight!
Any suggestions on books or commentaries?? I think what I really want to know is how to practically apply this verse… What should submission look like in my marriage? I don’t so much find the verse degrading as hard to interpret and apply… Thanks for your help! (It sounds like you’ve looked into it as well).
hi beth, hope u still read this reply… i found the book A WIFE AFTER GOD’S OWN HEART by Elizabeth George helpful… also a chapter jn Nancy Leigh DeMoss’ LIES WOMEN BELIEVE (there’s a particular chapter about Submission) ot helped me a lot with my perspective… :)
I really dislike the whole “submit to your husband” concept. I feel like I don’t really understand it… Blind obedience seems like stupidity and an incorrect interpretation of the scripture, but to some level obviously obedience comes into play with submission since following verses talk about Sarah obeying Abraham (who was kind of a jerk IMO asking her to pretend to be his sister and handing her off to another man)…
Beth, think of it as the trinity- god, jesus, the Holy Spirit. They each have their own roles yet are all equal and are all god. Jesus submitted to God and died on the cross for our sins. Just because Jesus submitted to God doesn’t make him less, that was just his role. As wives we have a role. We are to submit and respect our husbands. That doesn’t make us less.
I heard a helpful analogy of this in the image of couples’ figure skating during the Olympics. The man and the woman are both equally important, but they have different roles in their routine- they complement and showcase one another’s strengths and talents. =)
Thanks for your insight! I can see how this would work with a perfect God or a Godly husband… I struggle to apply it to real life situations with a human husband… I suppose it has more to do be with being gentle and supportive…
Yes in perfection, it likely would be easier… And more fun! :) Without sin, there would be no pride to want my own way. I guess since we both have major faults in a marriage, we need to remember that we are ultimately submitting to and serving God in our roles as husband and wife. Praying today for the many marriages that are represented among the SRT community.
Does anyone know the meaning in 1 Peter: 7 when it refers to women as the weaker vessel? I’m always wondering if it means physically or emotionally or both? I sometimes wish it was more in depth & put more emphasis on the strength of women. Any verse recommendations for that?
The study notes in my Bible say that Peter is most likely referring to physical strength.
In the message it says they lack the advantages that men had in that society. it has nothing to do with females actually being weaker or not equals
The message isn’t a translation. It’s a summary of translations. It’s helpful, but when questioning a particular passage, we should always return to a translating.
Translation, I mean.
I had forgotten how long and tedious the book of Jeremiah is! Glad it is almost done.
I agree! It’s a great review, but I’ll be ready for a new chapter! Blessings!
Me too!
8 Finally, all of you, be like-minded, be sympathetic, love one another, be compassionate and humble.
4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God’s sight is very precious.
This was such a powerful verse to me as well! We put so much pressure to fulfill societies ideal of female “beauty”. It is so encouraging to be reminded that it is our hearts that are beautiful to Christ!
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