Exodus 25-26, Matthew 13:31-58
I’m just wondering if anyone could tell me what kind of lesson we could pull out and maybe apply to life when we’re reading about measurements of a boat? Just wondering :)
I believe it was both a test of obedience, but also goes to show God is interested in even what we would consider the most mundane.
I also really envy the way Moses heard God so clearly! Such details! I know in the past God had tried to prompt me to take specific actions and when I feared what people would think and didn’t obey, his voice became less clear, less often. He offered me a talent and a gift I did not use out of concern for humans rather than obedience and respect of God. The detail in this story reminds me that continued obedience in the details will keep me connected and enjoying amazing detailed relationship with Almighty God!
Oops I meant that reply for Lexi.
@Lottie I think you might have misunderstood. I definitely think that God is in control of salvation, but I don’t think at the beginning of time he has already decided who will be joining him in heaven. I think that he may have an idea, but the day we die is when he determines if we will be in heaven, purgatory, or hell. Of course I may be wrong, and I only recently have found Christ, but that’s what I think.
There are several scriptures that speak to that exact thing: “even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,”
I also highly recommend you read Romans 8 and Romans 9. Remember, God has a very long history of choosing certain people over others, so this isn’t a new concept.
This is the age old paradox – – sovereignty or free will?? I think there’s a mystery here we aren’t to fully understand on this side of heaven. Deut 29:29 says “The secret things belong to the Lord. But the things revealed belong to us and our sons forever”. So instead of siding with one attribute of God (his sovereignty) over another (his mercy) for example, both are true. The classic illustration that helped me understand this mystery was given at BSF– The gate on the outside says “whosoever will may come” (2 Peter 3:9) Upon passing through you look back and see written “chosen of God” (Eph 1:4) God certainly has chosen certain people groups – In the OT (Abraham, Isaac & Jacob- or Israel as he was later renamed) to carry out His plan of salvation through the Jewish line. And in the NT we see in Ephesians that “God chose us ‘in Him’ to be holy & blameless in his sight” God certainly is not accountable to anyone but if we understand His full character we see overriding it all is His love for His creation. So much so that He provided in His own Son a way for our reconciliation. One key point I like to recall is from Matt 25:41 that says the “eternal fire (hell) has been prepared for the devil and his angels.”
yeah, I think I’d have to agree with Heidi. it’s a mystery we cannot fully understand. it’s hard for us to reconcile the two in our head, but it might be we just put our trust in God and acknowledge we do well not fully understand until we reach heaven.
@Alisha, I differ with you on that doctrine point. I believe in total depravity and it scares me to think that someone could belief that God is not in control of salvation. if He is not in control of salvation then how can He be sovereign over all His creation?! I think it’s hard to reconcile His sovereignty while we are still responsible for our actions, but that might be something we leave on the table as something we cannot fully wrap our minds around while on earth.
@Jasmine I apologize but I don’t think that’s right either. God gives us the free will to believe in him and to have faith in him, if we choose not to, that’s on us and not because God has already hand picked who’s getting into heaven. We were put on this earth to listen to him and spread his glory, if we do everything he has taught us, then he will have mercy on us and allow us into heaven. I don’t think that we can follow Jesus all our lives and not get into heaven just because he didn’t pick us to go into heaven when we were born. Jesus knows us, but he can’t make decisions for us. We have the free will to stray from Jesus or follow him. We live life in the name of Jesus because it’s a beautiful life, Heaven is a bonus when we die. God hopes that we will follow him, but he can’t make us. I don’t think that God would allow non-believers into heaven. As for your question Justine, I apologize but I don’t have the answer to that. We all have to keep praying that Jesus will give us the answer
Something I have a hard time wrapping my head around is how God loves the world, but will throw non believers into a fiery pit and suffer. What about the people on this earth who never had the privilege of hearing God’s Word? Ladies help me understand this in a better light!
So I prayed on this. If we reject Jesus’ offer of forgiveness, there’s no one else to pay the penalty for our sins except ourselves. God will not send us to hell – we will send ourselves. Our eternal destiny lies in our own hands.
You are incorrect about that.
I provided I reason why down below, I hope this helps.
@Justine, sorry wasn’t clear who I was agreeing with, haha. I think we are still responsible for our salvation, even though we cannot work outside of what God ordained.
Wether you are a non-believer or believer the Lord already had his chosen people since before the Earth or we were even created. Non-believers could hear about the Lord’s word, read the Bible, Worship, etc. and still wound up in hell if God does not have them as his selected people. In this world there are many people claiming to be ‘Christians’ in which will not be sent to Heaven and when God comes they will protest saying “But I did everything you said.” But He will say “Part from me for I do not know you.” Your destiny does not rely on your own hands either, like I said it is within GOD’S hands with he chosen. If he chooses to save you it’s because it’s his gift of mercy and love. I’m sorry, but what you said was all wrong.
I believe in God’s sovereignty. don’t get me wrong. I also believe in total depravity. however, I believe we can say that those who do not believe do indeed, send themselves to hell, so to speak. because it is because of the deeds they did. God did not “make” them sin. I think the theology gets deep here, and it’s hard to reconcile how God is 100% in control, while we are still responsible for our deeds. Sometimes there are times when our (rather small, let’s be honest) human brains cannot understand the ways of God. and that is okay. like, it really is. can you fathom how there was no beginning for God? well, neither can I. so I just believe what He says and except that my brain can never fully comprehend on this earth. God is not an unjust God, but He does not owe us anything. maybe there have been people who have died without ever hearing His word and have gone to Hell. maybe that seems cruel to you. but that is completely in His power because we are His creations and deserve Nothing. there’s a lot to be said here, and I am obviously still trying to wade through it all myself.
I’m actually going to disagree with your disagreement. :) God has given every person a free will but what is a free will if there is no choice? You may choose to accept his offer of salvation or reject it. Based on your choice, you choose your eternal destiny. Since God is omniscient, He already knows everything and sees all of time and space, He knows who will choose Him, and therefore He chooses them back, but He does not make the decision for them. Where you choose is up to you. He is love. He wants everyone saved, but it has to be your choice.
Please pray for me! I have drifted away from God and returned to my worldly ways of living. Pray for my walk with him and pray that I can have a thirst for his word! It’s greatly appreciated
Chloe you will be in my prayers. Thank you for your comment! Your humility before God is encouraging me to confess my recent struggles with the things of this world. I know if we seek Him wholeheartedly He will always show Himself in a huge way. God bless you recent so
Praying for you Chloe!
Chloe, I strayed for two years and God took my hand and dragged me out. I hope you know God will never leave your side and He will welcome you back with open arms. I pray for you. Have strength, and ask God to lead the way for you!
Hey ladies! I just joined this community a few minutes ago. Trying to get more into reading the Bible this year. My home church is getting a new Senior Pastor in about 3 weeks or so and I’m excited about that! Consistent Preaching is what will help me to be more disciplined in reading the Bible for myself.
Welcome! I just started my self a few months ago. This app really helps! :)
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